Just so many things wrong with this.... - A Movement In Time And Space
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Just so many things wrong with this....
I got this in an email from an acquaintance yesterday:

One day, a six-year-old girl was sitting in a classroom.
The teacher was explaining evolution to the children.
The teacher asked a little boy:

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?


TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?


TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see GOD?


TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see GOD because HE isn't there. HE just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up wanting to ask the boy some questions. The teacher agreed.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?


LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the Teacher ?


LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?


LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today, she doesn't have one.


I believe in God. I have faith. But this just makes me ill on so many levels. What does this have to do with evolution? Is there no middle ground - that God and evolution can co-exist? And my goodness if this doesn't strengthen my resolve that religion should NOT be taught in schools!! Why does the girl have to be specifically six years old?

I feel sorry for Tommy...

Why do people who I barely know think that it is ok to pass on things like this to me? Maybe I should find some Hindu stories and the like and pass it on to EVERYONE I have an email address for. Oh yeah. I can't. Cause (most) Hindus don't believe in forcing our ideas and religion on the rest of the world. One goal, many paths. Tolerance and acceptance.

BTW, I don't claim to be an expert - this is what I was taught.

Many of my friends (LJ and RL) are from various faiths - Christian, Jewish, Pagan, Hindu (of course), Atheist, Agnostic. And I love you all. Heck, I married an Atheist. That's as far away from my beliefs as you can get! Hindu = believes in thousands of Gods and Goddesses; Atheist = believes there are none. You can imagine some of our early discussions...omg. But, one thing that Chris and I share and that my friends have in common too: Tolerance. We joke around and tease each other (he calls me silly and I say that he's really a confused Hindu) but we respect each others' beliefs. And we've somewhat agreed to let the kids decide for themselves...as long as they are Hindu. :-p

Anyway, I try to surround myself with people who are tolerant and open-minded. So far, I've had a good degree of success at this. Don't tell me what to believe and I'll grant you the same courtesy. Believe in what you want, but live with dignity and common sense and don't piss me off by telling me that I'm going to Hell or that I'm a bad person for not believing in what you do.

I had a boyfriend who did that once...yeah, I dumped him real fast. Loser.

I had so many things to say about this subject when I was in the shower this morning...I need a water-proof computer. Now, I'm just rambling.

LOL One of the people on the distribution list for that email just replied all: "that's a lame email....."

*high five*

What is the deal with trying to get everyone to think the same anyway? Isn't variety the spice of life and all that?

Besides, everyone is a Hindu, you just don't know it yet.


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From: scarslet Date: February 13th, 2006 05:07 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm a Christian, not a Hindu. =P

I always thought that joke was more to make fun of the teacher than evolution...and it fit. We can't really replace evolution with something else, except perhaps the rise in technology (which doesn't really work either since it's not a debatable subject). =(
threeparts From: threeparts Date: February 13th, 2006 05:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Mm, well said.
I don't mind religion being taught in school. If it's just that - taught as part of one's education. It would be so good if we could get all the facts on particular belief systems, without any pressure on us to conform to them. I personally think it would be wonderful if students had that kind of exposure to different beliefs in a serious, non-mocking light.
But having prayer time and bible study and all that? Uh-uh. That's got nothing to do with education and should not be part of the curriculum.

And, personally, I like the idea of polytheistic beliefs far more then monotheistic. The latter just seems like ego - people are made in the image of one deity, so all those who don't conform are out on their asses. Having a huge, rowdy pantheon just sounds like fun. *g*
From: junetoo Date: February 13th, 2006 05:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Cause kids say the darndest things?

I wouldn't mind reading some Hindu stories though. Sounds interesting.
slave2three From: slave2three Date: February 13th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ditto :)
gfailure From: gfailure Date: February 13th, 2006 05:41 am (UTC) (Link)
How do you keep track of that many gods? Do you get an instruction booklet or something?
warmpinkglow From: warmpinkglow Date: February 13th, 2006 05:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's really just one God, many facets. Like a jewel.
priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 13th, 2006 11:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Most forms of Hinduism are henotheistic. A single deity and other gods and goddesses are facets, forms, manifestations, or aspects of that Supreme God.

What's really interesting is that Hinduism can be called polytheistic, monotheistic OR trinitarian.

Polytheistic = that's fairly obvious.
Monotheistic = because many Hindus only believe in the One Supreme Being, the principle of Brahman (which is different from Brahma, the God)
Trinitarian = The trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

Using those definitions, everyone can be a Hindu! Well, except for Atheists, but I seem to remember doing some research many years ago and finding an explanation that included them as well...

ICON LOVE, E! GheeHappy.com!! Do you have any of Sanjay's prints or his book? Last time I went there, he was out of stock of almost everything...I should check it out again.
priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 14th, 2006 12:00 am (UTC) (Link)
sammykate From: sammykate Date: February 13th, 2006 06:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, dear...

I know this post was probably not intended to be particularly amusing, but...

(please forgive me!)

...I misread this bit:

"But, one thing that Chris and I share and that my friends have in common too: Tolerance. We joke around and tease each other (he calls me silly and I say that he's really a confused Hindu)"

I read it as: "But, one thing that Christ and I share..."

I am so sorry. I can't stop giggling at the idea of Christ calling you silly, and you replying that he's really a confused Hindu!!!! It makes such perfect sense that way, too!!

Oh, mercy! I have laughed myself to tears!!!!

I love you! And I am sure your Gods and Goddesses and my God are all having a big chuckle about the whole thing. That, and the duck-billed platypus.
wendy_in_md From: wendy_in_md Date: February 13th, 2006 06:22 am (UTC) (Link)
" I can't stop giggling at the idea of Christ calling you silly, and you replying that he's really a confused Hindu!!!!"

That made me giggle, too. LOL


P.S. I needed the smiles. Thanks!
priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 13th, 2006 07:13 am (UTC) (Link)
LMAO! Actually, when we got married, my aunt in India sent a letter. We were going to visit India the next year and Chris was going to meet everyone for the first time. In her letter, she kept refering to him as Christ. I was laughing so hard!!
sammykate From: sammykate Date: February 13th, 2006 07:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, My God! You married Christ! And he's an atheist! Well, ain't that a kick in the pants?!

I am still laughing about my mis-read. I may never fully recover. I will just sit here alone in my living room, giggling like an idiot!

Here's to "keeping holy the Sabbath day" -- at which I clearly fail miserably! Somehwere, little old nuns are cursing me and my heathen ways;)
sammykate From: sammykate Date: February 13th, 2006 08:20 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, hell. I still can't get over it. I am so hopeless. I may have to post about this, if you don't mind. I just love the idea of a post entitled: "Christ is Really a Confused Hindu."

I imagine I might get a little flack for that. Or I could go straight through Colorado and right on to Hell (see my response to Wendy, below).

Okay. Wonder if there's anything to drink around here...
sammykate From: sammykate Date: February 13th, 2006 07:59 am (UTC) (Link)
What can I say? Ususally I just mis-hear people (I have some minor hearing loss in one ear and it results in sort of hilarious misunderstandings). Now I am mis-reading, too. What? Is the eyesight next to go? I feel too young for that!

As for being a blasphemer...well...that's hardly news to those who know me. ;)

I remember driving in rush-hour traffic in Colorado about 12 years ago. Some woman kept waving me frantically to the side of the road. Thinking that there was something horribly wrong with my car, I pulled to the shoulder. She followed, and, as I stepped from my car, came charging at me yelling that I was going to Hell and only Jesus could save me. I didn't realize there was an actual "Road to Hell," (and that it apparently ran smack through Colorado) so I thanked her for the tip and tried to get back in my car. She kept sort of accosting me, until we arrived at the truth of the matter: her judgement was based entirely upon the Grateful Dead sticker on my bumper.

Weird, but true.

Later, I met up with my friend, Jim, who offered to take me to meet the three other liberal people in town (HaHa! Smart-Alecks of the World, unite!).
shortindiangirl From: shortindiangirl Date: February 13th, 2006 07:46 am (UTC) (Link)
Most times I can just click delete and move on. On ocassion I feel frustratingly irritated and take the time for a huge long reply just pulverizing such a thought.

The email makes a good point though. Just because you can't see something, it doesn't mean it's not there. The teacher was so wrong to try to teach Tommy about God's existence, especially in such a specious manner.

The best thing is to kill the email chain as best as possible.
priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 13th, 2006 08:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I almost never forward on these things anyway, but I only wish that were the end of them.
gnotobiotically From: gnotobiotically Date: February 13th, 2006 09:01 am (UTC) (Link)
I believe in what has been proven, aside from that, I make up my own rules. Evolution has been proven to a small degree. No, they cannot prove that one species has changed into another over long periods of time. But everything is changing slowing all around you. Everything is evolving, changing. That much has been proven. Just look at genetics.

And I personally do not believe that we all came from single celled organisms.

I do believe in a higher power. I can sense it every now and again. I believe it is up to every individual to decide for themself what that power is. Be it a god, many gods and goddesses, or science itself.

Even though I consider myself to be of an open mind, I couldnt marry an athiest.
It would be too tough on me. It takes the magic out of life to believe that there is no magic in life.

I could easily be with someone who practices Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity/Mormonism/Catholithism, Animism, and possibly even Islam.
But it is unfathomable to me how someone can believe in nothing at all.
That life, as beautiful and wonderful as it is, was just an accident. A fluke in the vast realm of statistics.

Look at your daughter, and think, she is just a multi-cellular organism with really no purpose except to create more multicellular organisms then die. The same destiny your grand-babies will have some day and their children as well. They were never really meant to be here, because nothing was ever meant to be.

I guess it would take far more faith to believe in nothing at all than to believe in something and I am of little faith.
priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 13th, 2006 10:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure that Chris will speak up here, but I just want to say that I understand your view on Atheism...I used to believe that. But, I have learned a lot from Chris over the years about his beliefs, and he is not one who believes there is no magic in life. And he does believe in a lot of things, just that none of them is in a higher being or spirit or whatever. And there is a purpose...just not one that is tied to going to Heaven or Hell or Nirvana or Paradise.

It is far more complex, I think. But your last sentence gives me a lot to think of... :-)
sammykate From: sammykate Date: February 13th, 2006 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
hhhmmm... this - and the above comment - reminded me of a conversation that happened between my best friend, Christine, and another friend at a party years ago. They talked their way back through evolution to the begining of the earth itself. When asked what caused said explosion in said universe (in reference to the Big Bang theory), he responded, "I don't know. Some force in the universe..."

"May the Force be with you, Luke Skywalker," Christine replied. "I call that God."

I was never sure if I found that more funny or profound. Like much of my life, really.
From: gabbytheguy Date: February 13th, 2006 01:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Isn't it funny how all these ridiculous emails are Christian faith based?

To be honest, if I was explaining evolution, God wouldn't even come into the conversation. I don't see faith has anything to do with it, so it's a pointless little story anyway.

And it's stuff like this that actually makes me LESS tolerant. I wish people would just leave people to do what they want, when they want. As long as it's not hurting anyone, I really don't care. Just don't force it on me.

Grr! Now I'm angry!
co_techie From: co_techie Date: February 13th, 2006 02:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
My mother sends me religious "funny" emails from time to time, to try to "convert" me back to being Catholic. I tell her with glee that all her attempts fall flat on their face - yet she still tries. ;)

I still have *some* religious tendencies still left over from being raised Catholic but they're of the habitual nature more than of a belief in God. Hopefully all this will clear up over the next few years. ;)
warmpinkglow From: warmpinkglow Date: February 13th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I constantly get religious-based "funny" emails.

Let's start a Hindu email chain!

"Forward this to 108 people or else Kali will come and lop off your head too!"

priyabradfield From: priyabradfield Date: February 13th, 2006 11:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
OMG, awesome!

*giggling like mad*
From: maverickgal Date: February 14th, 2006 12:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually I did get this one! but in place of Kali it was Lord Venky :)
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